Episode 18 Transcript

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alright let's get started with today's episode it's going to be a lovely day
this is episode 18 we're gonna be
talking today about healthy technology
habits before we get into our topic for
the day we'll start with an update so
I'm just about to leave
on a two night team-building with a
company here in Morocco gonna be heading to Bin el Ouidane lake which is a beautiful lake
just outside of Béni Mellal so that's
that's exciting looking forward to that
I'm gonna be doing some fun activities
and offering some training I'm gonna get
out in the kayaks on the lake do a bit
of exploring and some competition should
be a lot of fun and also able to draw
some lessons that we can apply back in
the office what about you? Ryan how are
you doing? where are you at? what's new?
good Ryan first before I get into my
update I have a question how did you
find this client? how did you sign them
up as a customer? well originally it was
through somebody that I I met just in my
my network that was working at this
company and we had lunch I explained a
little bit what I do and some of the
training that I offer both through my
own personal company and also through
Franklin Covey and then he introduced me
to the head of the training department
we had a conversation and the reason why
I was able to sign this client was
because number one they need a native
English speaker so it's a multinational
company that has employees coming from a
variety of nations and they primarily
use English as their you know their
language of doing business and the
second reason was because the the head
of the training department really wants
employees to get outside of the office
go away for these kind of weekend
retreats and do outdoor activities
experiential learning time in nature and
so she wanted a trainer that had a
framework for that and had experience
doing that that's something that I've
done in the past it's a little bit part
of the the culture in Canada you know
going off to a
or up to the woods going to summer camps
doing all kinds of sports and activities
and competitions in order to de-stress
in order to grow closer together in
order to learn principles that you can
apply in the office so because I had
that that framework that understanding
that experience I was able to get my
foot in the door and sign a one-year
contract so it's been a lot of fun and
it's been great for business it's a
great example of how your network can
open a door but your skills and
experience or what end up closing the
deal mmm yes for sharing. On our end,
we are back in Morocco happy to be back
it was a long, good, hard trip to the States
glad to be home, marhaba, welcome back
Thanks yeah it's Friday and I have a
meeting with duty-free this afternoon so
I will let you know how that goes on our
next episode
but looking to negotiate a retail
agreement for the painter that I
represent mm-hmm
other than that just getting used to
this beautiful weather and getting back
into life in Morocco life is a bit
different here compared to the States
in fact that was one of the things I
realized over my two months in the
States is I have gotten used to life in
Morocco and there are a lot of things
that appeal to me about it versus the
lifestyle in the United States so you
know I know our listeners will be dying
to hear your perspective I often get
asked oh why did you choose to come to
Morocco? you know what do you love about it? so
why don't you just share one of the two
things one or two things that you really
appreciate about being back home well I
like the vibe of the city mm-hmm
I like the fact that so much of life in
Morocco and especially in Casablanca
takes place on the streets mm-hmm I like
I like the energy
the people I like the fact that when you
walk down the streets you encounter all
types of different businesses and
different people and people are working
and doing things and they're grinding it out
to me when I'm in Casablanca the energy
of the people it just feels like more is
at stake every day mmm that people are
working hard that they're making things
happen and they're doing what it takes
to live and survive you just don't get
that energy in a lot of places in the
United States people are in their cars
they're in their houses there isn't the
same kind of life and energy on the
streets as there is Morocco and that's
one of the things that I missed when I
was in the States
I would go walking places and I would
literally be the only person walking
around yeah and I could walk for miles
and not encounter a single other
pedestrian maybe somebody who's out for
a run or a bike ride but it's just not
the same yeah so that's just one example
yeah yeah that's true I love all that
too but I also miss the availability of
the produce and the fruit and vegetables
and and the cost of living yeah oh yeah
it's much cheaper in Morocco and I think
probably the main thing I'm just happy
to be back in my own house yeah well
welcome back
let's get into our topic
for the day you want to lead us off sure
healthy technology habits one of the
things I realized also in the
United States is people don't have great
technology habits they're they're not
always healthy in Morocco we do not own
a television and almost every place
we've stayed whether it's with friends
or a hotel or an Airbnb the centerpiece
is almost always a television the
centerpiece of the household its couches
and a television
and I know that this can be the same way
in Morocco as well and what I realized
about my trip home and the centerpiece
of television is that we watched a lot
more television during our trip in the
on a daily basis just because it was
there just because it was available and
it was easy to get the remote control
and turn it on and find something to
watch when you turn on the television
and there are hundreds of channels to
choose from you can waste a lot of time
watching things that you don't
necessarily like that are not
necessarily beneficial but you just
watch it because it's there and so we
spent a lot of time watching television
whereas if we had been confronted with
the same situation in Morocco we would
have picked something else to do because
we don't have a television and I was
looking at the stats regarding the usage
of media in the United States a big
trend in the United States as people are
which is another way of saying they're
getting rid of their television and
getting rid of their television
subscription whether it's satellite or
cable and when they survey these people
more than half of them, it was a survey
of 528 people who had disconnected their
cable or canceled their television
subscription, and more than half of them
surveyed said they did not miss it at
hmm nothing Wow and of the people who
did say they missed it the main things
they missed were live sports and live
news and if you look at that you
realize that there are many options for
watching live sports you can go to a
cafe if you want to get the news you can
get it on your phone or on your tablet
or computer
I think we're increasingly moving to a
world that does not need television and
when you talk about healthy technology
habits my advice when it comes to
television is get rid of it get rid of
it, fast for 30 days,
many of our Moroccan listeners they know
exactly what it means to fast yeah
so try fasting from television for 30
days and so you mean just during just
during daylight hours then ah no I mean
all day every day okay I mean fast all
day every day for 30 days from
television and and then look at your
life for the last 30 days is it
materially better? is it materially worse?
can you not live without certain
television programs? really take a look
at your life and ask yourself what did
you do at that time that you weren't
watching television
did you read one of the books that we
recommended in the last episode? did you
listen to a podcast? did you practice a
musical instruments? did you exercise? all
of these things that actually produce
benefits in your life whereas is the
very rare occasion that television will
materially benefit your life yeah we had
the exact same experience we rented an
apartment we were living in Quebec City
one season and our apartment had a huge
television and kind of right in the
center of the salon and when I look back
on that time that we lived there we
watched an excessive amount of
television that we haven't matched
either before or since and it just had
to do with the fact that it was there it
was just right in your face and the book
I recommended last episode on our
podcast Atomic Habits the author uses
the term friction to describe you know
how easy or difficult it is to do an
action and so when there's a habit
you're wanting to stop one of the things
you can do is just to add more friction
so even something as simple as putting
the remote control into a drawer or
removing the batteries from the remote
control and putting it in a separate
spot or unplugging the television even
small acts like that increases the
friction of how much television you will
and it will reduce the amount and you
can apply the same principle if you want
to foster good habits by reducing
friction so if you wanted to eat more
healthy food just by having a bowl on
the counter that has you know fruit that
you can just grab you know an apple or a
pear or an orange
rather than having a plate of fresh
cookies it's gonna increase the amount
of healthy food that you consume so
we're the same as you we we don't have a
television but we do have multiple
screens you know we've got a couple
laptops in the house we have some
tablets we have our phones so we can
still watch a movie we we bought an old
projector for five hundred Dirhams and
we have a pretty much blank white wall
in our salon so every couple of weeks on
a Friday night we'll watch a movie with
the kids just stream it on a laptop it's
no no problem so we're not really
missing out and there's lots of
television shows that you can still
stream or keep up with and even live
however it's extra effort than just
plopping down on the couch and pushing
on with a remote control so that extra
friction definitely reduces the amount
of time we spend watching television
yeah I like the analogy of trying to
lose weight mm-hmm if you're trying to
lose weight
don't keep junk food in the house yeah
don't let it be a temptation yeah only
have healthy food and then whenever you
go to eat something it'll be healthy and
you won't have the temptation to eat
something that is bad for you or it
could cause you to gain weight with the
same principle applying to your media
content if you know that watching
television is a temptation and you know
that most of the time you watch it it's
a waste of time and then get rid of it
don't allow it to be a temptation force
yourself to spend your time doing other
things I once read a study that said you
actually burn less calories watching
television than you do sitting and
staring at a wall Wow
because your brain is actually having to
do work while you're staring at the wall
you're actually thinking, your brain is
actually having to think and to process
and to do things whereas it almost takes
no effort to watch television that's
incredible it's incredible
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now back to the show well
let's shift to talking about social
media because I know a lot of our
audience they might be thinking well
yeah I don't I don't spend much time
watching television you know like maybe
when I'm with my parents or you know
when I go visit home but they're
spending a lot of time with their phones
or potentially on their laptops so what
are some tips and advice we can share
about taming our technology when it
relates to cell phones mobile phones
well one of the first ones that I've
used is to put some of my least
productive but most addictive or
tempting apps to only access them on a
computer or other device that I'm not
with me all the time for example if you
know you waste a lot of time on Facebook
then delete the app from your phone and
only access Facebook on a computer or a
tablet another device that is not with
you all day long and that's one of the
ways that you can reduce the amount of
time that you're wasting on social media
but you can still stay connected to the
people in your network your friends and
your family yep but it's not a
temptation to be checking it all day
every day yeah yeah I just finished the
book Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport
which has a lot of excellent principles
about controlling your technology and
what you just described is where you you
are able to maximize the benefits of an
application like Facebook without being
sucked into all the negative parts of it
so you might say well I want to know
what's happening in my friends lives I
want to look at photos I want to be able
to comment on things I want to be able
to get information visit sites or
Facebook pages be part of communities
and even find out about events but you
can access all those benefits from a
laptop but it does exactly what you said
which is it reduces the temptation to
just open your phone out of habit
because you're bored or you're escaping
some situation you know you're waiting
in line or you know that there's a lull
in conversation when you're out with
friends and it also eliminates the
option for these companies to grab your
attention by strategically giving you
notifications, oh so-and-so just liked
your picture or so-and-so commented on
your photo makes you want to know what
did they say what was their comment and
it grabs your attention it sucks sucks
you in but it can end up being a long
process of pulling yourself away from
your phone and getting back to the
present moment you should be
yeah we've talked about this on previous
episodes but I think it's good to
mention it again that there are teams of
people in Silicon Valley in California
in the United States whose sole job it
is to get you to continue to open an app
and to keep using an app for as much of
the day as possible
and these people are paid hundreds of
thousands of dollars a year to figure it
out and they don't necessarily care
whether you're actually benefiting from
having the app open they're just
measuring how long you have it open and
whether or not you click on ads and
that's the most important thing to them
and so knowing that they are
specifically designing the app to
manipulate you into certain kinds of
behaviors it's important to take that
into consideration and put up safeguards
to falling into that trap and wasting a
bunch of time now interestingly enough
this sort of goes against my own
business interests because a lot of what
I do is help small businesses acquire
new customers using social media but we
often try to do it by offering the
potential customers something of value
whether it's content marketing an
article a promotion a benefit of some
kind but despite my business model and
what I do for my clients the truth
remains that too much screentime
too much social media it is not good for
your health yep the research is solid on
that the more you use social media the
higher likelihood that you are unhappy
and even much more serious than that
depression rates of suicide all those
numbers are correlated with use of
social media so even though you know the
I generation is is so young it's it's
difficult to see where this is headed we
can only make predictions it's
definitely clear that more time on our
phones is not good for us and it's not
something we should be ignoring yeah the
two other things I have regarding phones
in social media is one just turn off all
your notifications don't allow your apps
to beep or to send you a message or a
pop up anytime they want just turn all
that stuff off that way your decision to
use your phone and social media will be
more intentional and it won't be so
distracting throughout the day no the
second piece of advice it is fairly
simple is to recharge your phone in a
different room of the house and not your
bedroom and if you have to use something
to wake you up to go to work in the
morning get an old-fashioned alarm clock
and use that to wake yourself up don't
use your phone
keep your phone in another room keep it
charging another room don't have it be
the temptation to be on the phone till
right before you go to bed and have it
be the first thing that you do in the
morning try to do something else
at the end and the beginning of the day
yeah I love that one great quote that
can be applied to many things but is
often used with technology is that you
know technology makes a wonderful slave
but it makes a terrible master and when
we allow notifications to pop up on our
phone in many ways we're becoming the
slave because we're giving access to our
attention at any time of the day and we
all know that it can be very very
tempting to pull away even from a great
conversation even even from something
we're really enjoying in the present
even from something that's really
important because of a notification that
comes up on our phone but especially
when we're doing something that we're
not necessarily enjoying but we should
be doing it so when you're doing some
really deep work when you're studying
when you're
tackling a challenging task when you're
having a difficult conversation when
you're trying to learn something a
notification can pull us out of that
important moment and we we want to check
the notification because it would be far
more enjoyable and far easier but not
beneficial and I've I've taken your
advice right I bought an old not old I
bought an alarm clock I ordered it on
Jumia couple months ago so that I
don't have to rely on my phone to wake
me up because that was kind of an excuse
I was using for having my phone plugged
in in the bedroom was well that's what I
use to to wake up in the mornings I
already wear a watch so there might be
some of our listeners that should invest
in a wristwatch because how many times
have you picked up your phone
quote-unquote to check the time but
ended up wasting minutes or even more
than that of your life on some social
media rabbit hole that you got sucked
into so get yourself an alarm clock plug
your phone in somewhere else and you can
have set hours that it's plugged in it's
kind of docked you know from 11:00 to
7:00 a.m. or midnight to 8:00 whatever
your hours are that it's just not a part
of your life one last tip I'll share
that that can be really freeing is
leaving the house without your phone
this is a really exciting thing to try
because you can learn a lot about the
dependency you have on your phone now
there's sometimes there's legitimate
reasons that you miss your phone like oh
I forget what I'm supposed to get at the
grocery store I'm gonna call my parents
I'm gonna call my my spouse and ask
clarify or you want to take a picture of
something or you need to use Google Maps
you know those are legitimate reasons
where you you might really miss your
phone but I think what people will
notice is how many illegitimate moments
they go to use their phone just out of
habit or to escape the situation they're
in and those are the moments that by
leaving the house without your phone you
can begin to address them you can begin
to tackle those negative habits because
you can notice wow I was just about to
pull my phone out of my pocket but but
why I don't really need it I don't
really need to know what's happening in
the world of social media at the moment
there's no reason for it so I've started
to do this it takes a little more
forethought in preparation but it can be
a really freeing feeling to be out in
the world and to be unreachable yeah
these are great points right I think one
of the things I'd like to emphasize to
our listeners is that nothing we're
suggesting here is easy we're not
claiming that doing these things and
making them habits to your life is like
turning on a switch you are gonna face
resistance it's going to be hard to stop
watching television it's hard to get rid
of social media apps on your phone it's
hard to turn off the screens and do
other things we do not pretend that the
doing all these things is easy what
we're saying is it's worth it, yeah
and if you give it a shot you'll find
that your life can improve if you do it
the right way the last aspect of healthy
technology habits I'd like to mention is
the use of the computer a lot of us are
using computers for work and for email
and other personal things there are some
good habits you can have when using your
one of them is wearing blue light
blocking glasses a lot of research is
coming out showing that that blue light
has a negative impact on the health of
your eyes and it can also negatively
impact the quality of the sleep that you
get so even if you don't need glasses
for magnification you can get eyeglasses
with blue blocking light to wear when
you're on the computer or looking at
others so that you maintain the health of your
eyes and the quality of your sleep some
other good habits is not having your
computer screen too close to you using
an extended keyboard so that you can
have good posture when you're sitting at
your desk and sitting up straight a lot
of people are developing back problems
and neck problems because they're
spending too many hours of the day
hunched over at a computer another good
tip is using noise cancelling headphones
so that you're not being distracted
while you're working and doing other
things on the computer we mentioned this
when we talked about deep work in
episode number 2 and the last one I'll
mention is a habit that may not be
appropriate for everyone but I think it
is manageable and that is putting on
your calendar two times two per day
where you check email and not checking
email all day and not allowing those
email notifications to disrupt your
normal workflow mm-hm
so that's that sums up the the advice I
have for healthy technology habits
that's great
lots of good stuff in there I need to
apply some of it myself too before we go
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