Episode 83 Transcript

we have another great interview for you
today with Hajar Mousannif, she is a Phd in computer science
and artificial intelligence and she is a professor at a university in Marrakech and she tells us all about
the projects that she's working on here in morocco including projects to help with transportation to help with the prediction and modeling of coronavirus
and also to improve the quality of education and to track how well students are learning and
comprehending material
so it's a great interview she talks a lot about innovation and technology and stay tuned okay welcome to episode 83 of the
Business in Morocco Podcast today we
have a special guest with us this is Hajar Mousannif
she is a professor in Marrakech and she's a specialist in artificial intelligence and has a
couple patents that she's earned and some
papers she's published here in Morocco
so we're excited to hear about AI and her discoveries and her research and how it's going to impact business
globally and eventually here in Morocco
as well so hazard thank you so much for
being here with us
thank you very much for inviting me to
this podcast well my name is Hajar Mouannif, i'm professor of computer
science at the faculty of sciences university in marrakech i am specialized in ai i had an engineering degree in
telecommunications
and then a phd degree in computer science
my work on phd was about sensory network and vehicular networks
and i started working on artificial intelligence in 2013 it was my love story with ai and i'm going to tell you how this love story started because
it is something really special well i'm 100
moroccan made all my studies were in public moroccan schools and universities i graduated i
had my in my engineering degree in rabat in 2005 and my phd degree
in kadayad university in 2012 i joined the same university hadayad university as a professor and researcher in 2013.
i am now coordinating a master program in data science in which i teach
statistics machine learning and big data
analytics
this is basically my my background
can you tell us about you what did you
study
in undergraduate at university
yeah at university i actually was an
engineer
engineering school in telecommunications
so basically it was
like network administration and network
security
but i in my phd my work was
about wireless sensor networks and
wireless big wires
i mean vehicular networks and how we can
make our road
roads safer but in 2013
i got interested in artificial
intelligence
and uh maybe i can tell you this story
how my love story started with
with ai in 2013. in 2013 i had my
first uh baby i'm married by the way and
i'm mother of three kids
which are driving me crazy but that's
okay
you're in the club yeah i had my first
baby and as an active woman
i couldn't put up you know staying at
the house and
and switching from a very active life to
taking care of a tiny baby it was
something that that
made me like kind of baby blues so i was
watching my smartphone on the table
and i was wondering oh you have a camera
you have you can see me you have a
microphone you can
you know hear me all my data is
passes through you why can't you react
to my emotional state and maybe just
support me
and there i had the idea of creating a
smartphone that can react to human
emotions
and support you know people emotionally
and this
is how my story with artificial
intelligence started and i said to
myself yeah why not
all the data we have it through the
smartphone
and a smartphone can through the camera
analyze our facial expressions
through the microphone we can get the
audio the pitch of the voice the way
the user speaks so we can run algorithms
on the voice to
to detect the emotional state just from
the voice
there are also algorithms that can
analyze text and we can
see that with fixed mining and all the
progress made with
natural language processing so the idea
is to create a process that
combines all this data together and come
up with a decision about the emotional
state
and then have for example the smartphone
that would react to this emotional state
by pushing to the use to the user
content to support him emotionally
it can be just a text telling the user
oh
just keep going everything is going to
be all right you're the best or just to
encourage and motivate and coach
etc and the the this is how things
started with ai
and then it was a fascinating field i
started to dig into machine learning
algorithms and i started to work on this
and i carried on afterwards many
projects related
to ai many crazy ideas i had and i tried
to implement them get a sense of how
they work
and it was a beautiful story and then i
coordinated i became the head of um
i created this master program like four
years ago
in data science in which i attracted the
community
and students who are interested in the
same field within my university and we
are doing a really
good job with that with with those
students
so hazard when you create something like
the
this patent that the the smartphone that
senses the emotional state of the user
do you do you consider the the
commercial implications
uh are you just driven by science or is
there you know a business
aspect to it too where you think wow
this is an opportunity advertisers would
pay for this data because
they can cater the advertisements to the
state of the user they can know when
somebody's more likely to purchase
yeah this is this is the business idea i
had
actually at first i didn't think
business but when thinking
about the content that we can send to
the the user i thought about for example
advertising and for women for example
sending i don't know massage session
or maybe makeup stuff or maybe uh
suggesting like a trip with discounts
etc so this is the idea this is the
business model
uh the hidden business model of the
of the application yeah i thought about
it actually but the main idea was to
support the
emotional little user that's good yeah i
mean
you're a scientist but this is the
business in morocco podcast so we're
thinking okay what are the opportunities
here
so that was your your first patent can
you have two patents right could you
tell us about the second one
yeah the second one uh has
the idea came from my my experience as a
professor and as a teacher because as a
teacher i
work in for example i teach in africa
theater
with like 300 people 400 people and we
cannot get in real time the interaction
and know whether the students understood
what i was saying or not
so the idea came that why not have a
chair a magical chair
that is connected to a lot of sensors
that in some way or the other could give
us feedback
about this the degree of understanding
of the students
of i mean with respect to what i teach
so the idea is that you have this chair
equipped with different sensors and we
collect
facial expressions via camera and we
have
other uh features that we collect like
for example the way the person sits
or is it um does he pay attention to the
content
and we collect also we have vibration
sensors
that collect for example if the person
is the just
excited to go out or whatever and we
aggregate all this information again we
collect data about students we carried
out
prototype implementation in our
university a class of 28
people and we collected the data and we
analyzed it and we came up with a
predictive model
of the outcomes of the of the learning
outcomes of the students which means
that if
you are a student and you sit on my
chair
i would know if you understood what i
was telling you or not
because the professor has feedback like
for example h
we we can parameterize this each 15
minutes or 10 minutes
telling them that in this classroom you
have 70 percent who
understood and 30 percent who didn't so
he can adjust
his way of teaching like in real time
and this is not with patented and we we
won the first prize of
research here in morocco because uh
thanks to this uh
this this project and for the first for
the first patent
i won the the for women
in science the l'oreal unesco for women
in science
prize in 2014.
that's incredible congratulations that's
that's very uh
very exciting our latest craziness
is the first 100 percent moroccan made
robot
this is something that we did last year
it's she's called chama superhuman with
assistant in multiple activities
e-a-s-h-a-m-a so we chosen like a
moroccan shama is a moroccan
name and at the same time it's the
abbreviation for the humanoid robot
and shama can interact in arabic you can
she acts like a personal assistant you
can ask her about the weather
you can ask her about who
invented i don't know the telephone or
whatever
and she can answer she can record
meetings etc
and we made it open source i mean we
used only open source to build
such such such robots there are videos
about it
on youtube so when you ask shama
a question she searches for the best
answer on the internet by herself and
then gives you
the the best response it's not a simple
search thing
because this is what we call the natural
language processing
uh field in in artificial intelligence
it's not only a question answering
system but
because you can ask for example a
question but you
another user can ask the same question
but in another way
so there are some similarity measure
calculation and there are
it's it's a it's not only
a question and she finds an answer of
course she has a local database
so she can work without internet but if
she doesn't know some something
she would look up in the internet to get
to get the answer but basically we build
up
her question answering system within
the within the hard disk which
she has so we can basically cover
most of intuitive and natural
question a person would ask like for
example when you meet someone
you would ask the name ask how are you
where are you from
you know basic questions and you can ask
there are other complicated i would say
questions related to the field and each
time we plug into her different
databases
so so she can pull the answer the answer
from but there is a lot what the
challenge about
shama is that she interacts in arabic
and as you know it's not
easy to to to have like to build
something in
in arabic especially in the machine
learning field because we need
like um data sets which we can train her
uh from and usually we can find
many resources on english but not on the
arabic
language so what what would you see
being the uh
the implications of of something like
like shamma how would you use
a robot like that in in the world
uh in in a world she we can i can
imagine her
like uh assisting children to to do
their their
homework i can say for example in
in in a store you know presenting i
don't know
clothes or stuff or advertising
uh this is the way i imagine like this
is when you see a robot
especially a woman this is something
fancy and just the fact that you are
interacting with a robot it can
attract people and and you know you want
to
to to to see how a robot would react to
questions uh crazy questions and see
how the robot would react when you say
uh
we you're using the the term we created
this who
who who's included in that yeah i never
ever i i i think as a researcher one of
the qualities the researcher uh should
have is
humility and especially as a scientist
you can you can
attribute everything to yourself because
this is not only you when it comes to
scientific research there
it's also it's always a continuation
of of something that other people
started
but it's true that i have a team i have
a team of my students
and i also supervise many phd students
like
for each year and students i have 24
students in my master program in the
first year and 24 in the second year so
48 students
computer science specialist and data
science specialist
and i have eight phd students each one
working on different
on different uh projects so i supervise
my work
it's mainly supervision uh innovation
i give ideas but that i mean the
work is basically done by the i mean the
implementation
and the coding is done by the student
and the phd students i just the kind of
orchestrator that's that's why i don't
want to attribute
everything to myself because it's not
only me i have
i'm supported by a team of wonderful
amazing
students and phd students and they're
also sometimes i
when i need engineers or or
consultancy i just require it and i get
the help
from from from those people yeah
so artificial intelligence machine
learning big data these are all
very popular topics around the world
silicon valley
finance especially in the united states
and europe
but can you tell us how is ai
being used in morocco can you give us a
few examples of some projects that are
happening
yeah uh you should know that ai
is the future of this world i see it as
the future
of this world and as the
person coming from developing country
morocco
i can see in ai an opportunity to like
catch up with
with what's happening around the world
because with
ai we don't have sophistic we don't
necessarily need sophisticated equipment
or whatever
we we have we all we need is to know how
to program algorithms so it's basically
intelligence and the way we use this
intelligence and
if you if you are good at innovating and
creating and using algorithms
then you can do nicely in in the ai
field just that's why i'm promoting it
in morocco
in morocco at the this
i'm leading currently leading two
projects
that the government uh launched one is
about road safety it was started in
2017
so basically we want to leverage this
technology big data
uh iot internet of things on artificial
and see how it can improve road safety
in morocco and we actually built
up we have as equipment
a simulator traffic simulator and
driving simulator so instead of using
our cards because it's difficult to
carry
out like a long scale
implementation using everybody's cars
that's not possible
so we purchased like a driving simulator
and we got people
driving and the idea is to extract
insight about the driving behavior of
the users
and based on the way they behave on the
road
we can know how moroccan drivers in
general
behave so that we can predict for
example
how if there will be an accident if that
that driver behaves badly if he honks a
lot
if for example he use the brakes a lot
if
he changes gears in in a bad manner so
and we aggregate all that information
and use machine learning algorithms to
build a predictive model
and gain insight into how moroccans
and how how moroccans drive in a sense
that for example the government can
penalize those who don't behave well
and maybe give a certain reward to those
who behave
well and we achieved nice results we
published
just in 2020 recently uh three
international journal papers in very
reputable
journals we are very proud with high
impact factor
and uh i mean it's it's an
i mean wonderful research we've been
doing with
with this road safety project the other
project is related to
the situation with corona virus uh
we are attending what what i call the
cubitization of research
because everybody is starting to work on
on you know guiding research through the
situation to adapt to the situation with
kobit so i i was thinking in this
context
how can artificial intelligence help in
tackling this virus so the idea is to
build a simulator
that would predict how the virus would
propagate
with respect to different strategies
like for example if we
if if we gain insight into how people
interact we can gain insight into how
the virus would propagate so by modeling
the interaction between individuals
we gain insight into how the the virus
would propagate and in morocco the
context is different from
other countries because in other in
morocco we have families that live
for example in the same house have
mother father grandfather grandchildren
so if one person works outside the house
and kem
comes back he would contaminate
everybody
and so there is this also psycholo not
psychological but behavioral aspects and
interactions
which makes morocco we cannot just take
any
model and and apply it to morocco that's
why we decided to model
at the micro level how people behave
where they work
how do they move we model the contact
rate
we the contact what i call them the
movement of individuals and we
have all this gathered into one model
and we simulate and we
have like we come up with a simulator
that would model how the propagate with
how the virus would propagate with
respect if for example if we reduce the
mobility to 20
what would happen if we use lockdown
what would how the virus would propagate
if we test other strategies how the
virus would propagate so this is the
basic idea of this
project so i'm currently leading these
two projects and
we are achieving nice results
so you've been studying the the data um
regarding coronavirus you've been
studying
the models trying to predict the way
that the things would unfold
so my question and i and i still i've
had this question for many months now
my my parents live in california in the
united states
and when you look at california it's
very similar to morocco in the sense of
the size of the population
the geography the climate
um there are large cities but then
there's also you know the
suburbs and um you know mountains and
deserts
but my question is if i had told you in
march
that in august
california would have more than 10
morocco would have less than 800
would that have surprised you would you
have predicted that california would
have more than 10 times as many deaths
from coronavirus
it's it's hard to predict the model
the machine learning model would not
predict the number of deaths
but would predict how the virus would
because death is related again to
many other parameters such as the the
age
is it an aging population at the the
vulnerability
of this population i mean in terms of
do they have for example diabetes do
they have like chronic illnesses
so it's really complicated to to input
all this into
into the model because if we want it's
like a an additional layer
that we would add maybe it has to do
also with genes
so it's it's a new virus we cannot
really tackle it from all aspects but we
can if we can have like a broad idea
how would propagate or if we reduce for
example the contact rate or if we reduce
the mobility
how would that impact the virus
propagation that's already i mean
that would give you like a general idea
about the things and maybe you can
do measures and adjust them uh
accordingly
so of course with corona this is a new
virus
we we don't know that how it behaves it
also mutates
is it the same virus you have the same
values you have there or is it a
mutation
that we have here in morocco this is
something that
that should be i mean if we want to
understand it we should really model at
all levels
and modeling can be very very
challenging if we can if we use this
approach
what are the models telling you now
for morocco what what are they telling
you something about the future
of the virus in morocco uh okay well
the simulations we've done so far are
related to casablanca city because we
cannot
in morocco we have an additional problem
that of the accuracy of the data
and this is a problem i was confronted
to even when i wanted to run my first
prediction models using deep learning
what we notice is that if we use
the models of other countries that are
at the same situations with the same
number of tests and the same number of
infections there are discrepancies
between the
the results so we don't know at which
level this disc
this this frequency comes from is it the
accuracy of the numbers that are
declared is it
do we test enough to get
you know and a correct relatively
correct
uh number of people who are infected so
there are additional parameters that we
cannot take into account
but what we did is that we took the
study the casablanca
and we divided into district districts
and we modeled the interactions between
these districts
for example if we have industrial
district
how would that impact people commuting
etc
and how would the virus propagate we
model
using what we call graph analysis so
it's like you have like
nodes and you have links connecting
those nodes
and the the stronger the link is the the
the connection is is higher so we try to
use this modeling and to gain insight
into different
an idea about how the virus would would
propagate and we noticed that
for example for people who commute or
who who
are for example they work in a city and
go to another city you cannot just
uh use the the the numbers or the the
the contamination rate in one city
everything is connected you cannot
isolate and say for example in
casablanca
it's this number and this number because
people in casablanca they don't live in
casablanca they commute they come from
other cities so the interaction
is is we have to do it at a much broader
scale and not only at the
the level of a city or even a district
so hazard with all the uh research
you're doing all the
the the discoveries you're making how do
you
decide whether you should go into the
corporate field or stay
in education i mean some of the stuff
you're talking about like your patent
for
predictive driver behavior i know
insurance companies would pay
big money to know what's the likelihood
of this person specifically
getting into an accident or the the
magical chair you're describing that
that
predicts the the person's understanding
of the content this could be used to
analyze the effectiveness of teachers
companies especially moving into a large
amount of remote work
will want to know is our employee
engaged are they really
understanding what's going on in these
meetings or are they completely
disconnected
and me as a as a trainer now shifting to
doing a lot of work online
you don't have the ability to see how
are people sitting are they
are they bored are they engaged you
don't see everybody's face anymore and
so you don't have that
feedback there's a lot of commercial
implications but
through your career you've remained in
the educational sector
as a as a young person that wants to use
research but also
wants to earn an income how do you
decide whether to go at the corporate
route or to stay
in the educational sector yeah so uh
i've been now teaching for 15 years
i started in 2015 as an engineer and i
started engineer teaching and then i
defended my phd in 2012
uh 2013 started teaching as a professor
officially but it's true that i
i built many prototypes
and those are just few ones i mean
i also built prototypes related to
healthcare
but the thing is scientific research in
is very difficult and challenging it's
very difficult in a sense and there is a
gap between what's happening
in the education field and what's
happening in the industry
in industry there is education and there
is
industry and there is a certain gap
between the two
so at the university those projects were
i mean
at the prototype level but i agree with
you that we i need to scale them up so
they can for example
uh choose maybe pick up one
and go for startup but the thing is
i don't want to stick to one project i
am an innovator
i like working on different things and
each time i come up with an idea i just
want to put it into practice
so i'm just maybe i haven't found that
thing
that would you know uh
i the thing i would feel so passionate
about that i would
you know give up everything and give up
or the research and go
and do my startup and do my maybe
company or
or and start this entrepreneurship
adventure
and this is something that is haunting
me actually i'm not
this is something i'm thinking seriously
seriously about
because i see my efforts as if reduced
to prototypes and i don't i'm not
satisfied even though it's
great and fancy and you get you know you
inspire people because i get
that i have a community of many students
and many researchers who you know who
like you admire your work and who
are inspired what you do and they if
there are some who
purchase their ideas but uh
i would i'm seriously thinking of doing
something which is
mine and going further and expanding my
horizon because i'm
kind of person who doesn't like to stick
into just one thing
i innovate i create and i just want to
go for everything which
you know grow grow up and extend my
comfort zone i i'm not the kind of
person who would just
you know do teaching do research and go
home no
i have ideas i i
implement them i go for them but it's
true that i need to bridge that
gap between just prototyping and
patenting
and maybe extend it to achieve more why
not
start up and maybe have something which
is similar no no to facebook or what
it's feasible i mean i all with all my
students i
i teach them not only machine learning
and big data analytics i teach them to
go for to purchase their dreams and to
dream big
and and and to be problem solvers and
to the sky is limit i mean uh the
opportunities are huge with ai the
opportunities are really huge
i mean you take any field of your choice
there is
a place of ai there so
yeah i seriously think about it maybe
next time
you would find me like running a company
or something because i don't stick to
one thing
and yeah this is the this is the
the magic of uh of being about
i mean passion being passionate about
what you do and just
willing to to learn even more and and
expand and yeah yeah
you mentioned a there's a gap there's a
separation between
the university and academics and and the
business world and
um you know i think it would be good
thing if they were to get closer
together
so that students are more prepared to do
the jobs
that businesses need and businesses are
able to communicate
to universities hey these are the type
of people that we need to work in our
companies and these are the skills
that they need to to come with to our
company so so my question for you is
you know even taking into consideration
coronavirus
what is the university doing right today
and how does it need to
change to offer a better
service to its students going forward
yeah
this is an excellent question with the
master program
i'm running i'm trying to apply all
things you said
instead of waiting for companies to go
for me i do a lot of advertising i
i i put the students on real projects
so that they can have something real to
show
i they have like for example i advise
them to create youtube channel to put
their project
there to have like a github repo
repository for their code
so they can have something to show and
this strategy paid off actually
because they are really employable
there are students and they work on
projects on
i mean real projects of companies and
when they're reached for example their
second year where they should go for an
internship
they they they are recruited immediately
but the thing is they are recruited
internationally and not here
i have like 50 percent of them they
don't prefer to stay in morocco they
expand they want to expand their
their their their i mean their horizons
not in morocco
because the i mean uh there is again
this gap between technology and what we
in morocco we are trying to get basic
things and when we talk about sensors
and ai
and advanced it's as if you're talking
about something which is that
like science fiction they don't
really see the the value yes there are
research projects and there are
companies that are
starting to leverage ai but again here's
big companies not
the s the the medium
companies or or startups but
there is a lot there's a lot of work at
my scale i go to companies and tell
them look here is what we can do at the
university
if you want you like people
if you want those skills tell us what
are the problems you have and we can see
what
solutions we can offer and start the
implementation while there are students
so they can be
directly employable i do all all this
but again at my scale at personal skills
not not something
uh easy we should multiply and there
should be
like a strategy at the government level
so that the university is connected to
the business world and connected to
to industry because one person one hand
it's not enough yeah yeah that's
fantastic i think you're
what you're doing is such a great
service to your students and they're
lucky to
have you as a as a professor and as a
guide because
there's often a total breakdown and
people are learning things that are not
relevant
and useful in the actual commercial
world but i love that you're
helping them work on real projects
you're in touch with businesses and
you're preparing your students to be
successful in the world
now you mentioned hajar that a lot of
your students are recruited
overseas and morocco especially in
engineering has an incredible
international reputation and a lot of
moroccan engineers do get recruited out
of the country
what are your thoughts on this this
brain drain and how can morocco
attract and keep uh more of its talent
in the country so that we can develop
more here
yeah that that's an excellent question
again
and we have this problem not only with
my students working on the ai field but
with engineers in general
they prefer not to stay in morocco and
they look for opportunities abroad
but the truth is there are
if there are not attracted by steam here
because they don't see an evolution in
their career
career and the salary is not that good i
mean if you compare
for example take an engineer who goes to
a company and they tell
tell them you will have 800
euros or 800 dollars and
when he goes for example abroad he can
get like three thousand or four thousand
dollars
you see that there is there is an as a
data
for example or an engineer working in on
ai
the salary gets even higher so salary
is different and career evolution is
different
and people mentality is different
because we have this culture of a boss
rather than
a leader so you want you want just
i mean maybe i'm not i should not
generalize but in many companies in
there is this hierarchical structure
where there are no
um no getting together
no solidarity no innovative thinking no
innovation process that is that is put
you don't get with your employees and
try to brainstorm in
novel ideas you want just things to be
done executed
work from eight to ten and from two to
six and that's it
i mean you don't you don't um get people
passionate about what they do and this
is the
problem instead of building a climate of
of of of work in which you feel you can
give the best version of yourself a
climate
in which for example you can innovate a
climate in which you
you feel you're doing something which is
valuable and
you put your energy and your and your
hard work into it
you'll find yourself to when you know
more monotonic
stuff and boring stuff and you just want
to get the salary at the end
and that's it go to sleep and this is
the difference in culture
in in culture at work is really
important i noticed it with my students
with my students and my phd students i'm
one of them
i'm not a teacher i learn from them and
they learn from me
i ask them if i don't know something and
i learn a lot from them because they are
excellent
programmers are excellent coders they
are young they go and search and
sometimes they come up with something i
uh so instead of saying oh yes i am this
and this no
please tell me and i tell them okay go
take
take a pen and explain to me how this
works do a presentation
and i encourage and i mentor and i coach
and i'm just one of them and
and like maybe family is not the word
but in
in an atmosphere and the climate on
of giving and receiving not only
like trying to be
i don't know the boss but try to bring
to make them grow and make them develop
and make them give the best version of
themselves and encourage them and give
them ideas and this is the way it works
you cannot just
do it one way you have to give and
receive and interact and
and there is a whole
yeah this is this is one of the reasons
that you know we keep doing the podcast
is to really
promote and encourage young
entrepreneurs in morocco because
you know my my personal opinion is is
that the future for a lot of young
people is not
in big companies as you mentioned that
often the career path is is blocked or
it's not attractive but there are a lot
of opportunities to do
startup businesses and to be an
entrepreneur and to not only sell your
services and your products here in
morocco but to go international
so you know that's one of the goals of
the podcast is to give exposure
um to these types of entrepreneurs and
and to have people like yourself on the
podcast who can educate us
about uh new technologies and things
that are going on in morocco
um so we really thank you for for coming
on the podcast and sharing
um your expertise and your your ideas
and uh and what's going on in artificial
intelligence and innovation here in
morocco we really thank you for your
time
thank you very much yeah thank you so
much hazar you're
you're an inspiration on so many levels
and uh yeah
it's it's amazing to hear your story and
what you're working on and we're excited
to hear
hear where your projects take you next
yes please tell us if you uh
go and start a company yeah
i'm starting crazy ideas i mean
i never stop and i think one should
never
stop growing and it start with learning
continuing continue to learn and learn
and learn because
if you measure your success you should
you should more measure it with the
impact you leave
behind i mean this is the idea you
should have in mind how to create
impact and how to create uh value and
this is
what i mean what i try to transmit to my
students and to all people who interact
with with me
and my community i mean yeah you should
you should create value you should
create impact and you should enjoy what
what you do absolutely
thanks again thanks sajar
all right another amazing guest um
someone who's so talented so smart
building all kinds of technology i mean
i didn't even realize
that this level of research and
innovation was going on
in morocco i'm so happy that we were
able to get azshara on as a guest
yeah no kidding she is working on all
kinds of amazing stuff
clearly an incredible woman like she's
she's brilliant
she's very driven you know she's a
mother with three kids and is
accomplishing
so much in her career but i also love
her her values and her heart you know
she's not
looking to make a million dollars you
know sell one of her patents
and just cash out rich she's looking to
impact the world including her students
i mean i wish i had more professors like
her
she's so humble and she's full of
curiosity discovering new
things loves to go into new fields
i i'm jealous and i'm sure some of our
listeners will think
ah how do i get into her classes i need
to transfer to marrakech and go to her
school because it'd be incredible to
have a prof like her
yeah and i mean she's working on such
practical problems too i mean i fully
support
anything that will make the driving
situation
in casablanca a better
improve the quality of life because it's
so stressful
um i really don't like it so anything
that's make it safer
and less stressful i'm i'm all for that
um yeah that that was my background
that's what originally brought me to
morocco was
working in in the traffic safety
industry
and the company i came with we designed
products to help increase
highway safety but what hazar is
describing
could make a huge difference i mean it's
about on average 10
people a day die due to traffic related
traffic accidents
in morocco which is a staggering number
based on the number of vehicles on the
and so if she was able to improve the
driver training and traffic patterns
and penalize poor drivers
or offer them better training
you know those kind of implications
could
really save lives yeah
i also love what she said about
artificial intelligence
could allow a country like morocco to
really leapfrog
on a global scale and be impacting the
world economy
because you don't need a lot of
resources you know
one person sitting there with a laptop
writing programs and and
creating predictive algorithms
can can make a huge impact in the world
and i love that that perspective
recognizing that
ai can have a massive impact and so it
allows
any nation whether they have huge
economies gdps and infrastructure
available
anyone with a laptop and an internet
connection can can create something that
changes changes the world so that's
really exciting to think about
absolutely

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